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Scene from 'Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story' compared to the actual trial in 1992 Video

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u/TexasLoriG Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

I am so glad they included this woman's victim impact statement in the series. It's an important part of the story.

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u/johnwayne2413 Sep 22 '22

How did Dahmer get away with killing so many people before he was caught?

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u/crappy80srobot Sep 22 '22

Homophobia, racism, and police incompetence combined. They lead a naked guy with a hole in his head back to him in one instance. Hell people were bitching about the smell for a long time and they took some BS story about dead fish. They should have nailed him for murder way before his body count got so high. It's a fucked up story all the way around.

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u/TheBaddestPatsy Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

Just to amend one thing. The “guy” was also a 14 year old child. Dahmer managed to convince the cop it was a “lover’s quarrel.” It says a lot about how long brown boys have been seen as men when they’re in danger, or when it’s to the advantage of a white person.

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u/Dinal108 Sep 22 '22

He managed to convince the cops that the boy was drunk and they were having a lovers quarrel, he convinced them he was 19 and that he was fine just the night before with the proof of semi nude photos of said boy he that last night. The cops told the women to stay out of it and mind their own buisness

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u/LogPoseNavigator Sep 30 '22

In the show he could look 19, in real life it’s no mistaking him for a kid

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u/bluelightsonblkgirls Sep 22 '22

Yea 2 black women were trying to help the black boy — he was naked and bleeding and the women tried to advocate for him but the cops told them to mind their business.

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u/ryancarton Sep 22 '22

If they just id’d dahmer and see he was a sexual offender or the boy he would have been caught. Sickening. And those cops ended up having long careers after being reinstated too.

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u/Genuinely_Crooked Sep 22 '22

One of them, John Balcerzack, became the president of the Milwaukee Police Association.

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u/vancouversportsbro Sep 24 '22

Inexcusable. The series summed that whole situation up well. They had the phone call on the neighbour calling Officer Ballsack and he's like "no mam, they're lovers". Not surprised they promoted that idiot to President.

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u/ZakkCat Sep 23 '22

Oh hell no! That’s awful

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u/NotsoSmokeytheBear Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

Two other officers were fired and a third, who you mention was out on probation for one year. I assume the cop who wasnt fired is the one who took the follow up call but was not there in person.

Edit: my mistake it seems they got re hired.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22 edited Sep 23 '22

I’m pretty sure the kid the original commenter is talking about here was Konerak Sinthasomphone and he was Laotian, not black.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Balcerzak

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u/learn2earn89 Sep 23 '22

I think the boy was southeast Asian, not black

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u/procyonoides_n Sep 23 '22

Asian American kid, and from a Laotian refugee family no less. Awful story.

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u/Distribution-Agile Oct 18 '22

He wasn't black he was asian. Stop trying to twist things to fit your narrative it had nothing to do with race

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u/seasonofthewitch97 21d ago

Are you dense? The kid being non-white, as almost all of JD's victims, definitely played a huge role. His Laotian family recieved anonymous, racist calls for weeks. Police neglecting POC, no matter if black or asian, is all over this case and the US in general, especially in the 70' and 80's. Why do you think Dahmer was able to go on for so long even though several POC women made complaints to the police? I'm sick of uneducated people yelling "this has nothing to do with race" in situations that VERY MUCH have to do with race. Seriously, educate yourself on this case and which social cirumstances played a part.

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u/shooismik Sep 22 '22

It broke my heart seeing that- I just can’t fathom. There was so so so so much racism going into why this all happened

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u/Robdotcom-71 Sep 22 '22

And so much incompetence by the cops.....

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u/tequilaearworm Sep 23 '22

Why did they cast like a 20 year old in that part? It got so lost because of that, how young that victim was. If you see pictures of him he's a BABY.

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u/Primary-Ganache6199 Sep 25 '22

Do you prefer to have a 14 year old kid naked and stumbling and acting in sexually intimate scenes?

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u/tequilaearworm Sep 25 '22

Have you ever seen Happiness? Or Bastard Out of Carolina? There are movies in which child molestation happens. There is a way to film it so it is not traumatic for the child actor. There's no need for us to see a 14 year old's naked body, the camera can stay in his POV while the neighbors react and ask why he's naked, and then in the next scene he's in a blanket.

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u/TrueMoment5313 Sep 27 '22

I imagine part of it is because no parent wants their young teenager playing this part or being in this series

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u/tequilaearworm Sep 27 '22

Tell that to Jena Malone's parents. Or Jodie Foster's. Or Dakota Fanning's. All of them have had star-making turns as children living through abuse, rape, and sex work.

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u/TrueMoment5313 Sep 27 '22

I mean, I wouldn’t want my child doing those roles either but this series and subject is particularly dark. The torture and everything he went through - as a parent, I would never allow my kid to do this role and expose him to the trauma. Yeah you argued there are “tasteful” ways of filming it but it seems the series is pretty graphic and they didn’t shy away from portraying things the way they happened.

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u/tequilaearworm Sep 28 '22

Dakota Fanning and Jena Malone literally re-enacted explicit, non-implied rape scenes. I get that Dahmer is darker but what was asked of them was much more than what was asked of the adult actor in this series.

That said, there is 100% an argument to be made that what Dakota Fanning and Jenna Malone had to do was super effed up. I have wondered a great deal about the subject after seeing Bastard Out of Carolina.

My main worry about the adult actor playing 14 year old is related to my discomfort with 20 year olds playing sexy teenagers in shows like Euphoria or Riverdale. Kids DO NOT look like that. I feel it puts something into the atmosphere that it's normal or you could understand why an adult would be attracted to a child or mistake a child for an adult, which is a common excuse of hebephiles and pedophiles. That's where my concern comes from.

To be honest, having sat on this series for a while, I think it was done as well as it could be done, but it should never have been done in the first place. Family members have spoken about it traumatizing them.

And maybe movies with child rape just shouldn't be made, or maybe it shouldn't be a part of a narrative unless it really, really serves some larger moral purpose. There's an argument to be made that Dahmer shines a light on how much the police and racism had to do with how this happened, at a time when that matters. But... I dunno. I wouldn't have made it. I watched it, but knowing what the families feel, I wouldn't have, just like I didn't watch that Pam Anderson movie.

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u/Realistic_Passage530 Sep 22 '22

You mean Black boys hon.

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u/Genuinely_Crooked Sep 22 '22

The boy in the story, Konerak Sinthasomphone, was Laotian.

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u/dpez1111 Oct 03 '22

The boy was asian. Black people want to be oppressed sooo so bad.

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u/rustyshackleford1300 Sep 26 '22

I understand your point, but it doesn’t apply here. Asian males are rampantly emasculated and infantilized in American culture.

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u/SkepticalVir Sep 22 '22

A number of things. Ostracized gay community which kept things pretty low key. Poor investigative process by police and some intelligence/charisma from Dahmer. I haven’t seen this doc but you should read his wiki or just read up on him. Very nasty but fascinating. Guy was fucking corpses after beheading them. Stuffed a whole body in a suitcase and carried home from a hotel.

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u/JOMO_Kenyatta Sep 22 '22

He also attacked mostly POC. Asians and african Americans.

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

You can kill lots of women before anyone GAF.

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u/TheBaddestPatsy Sep 22 '22

Yeah, and even more so if they’re black women tho.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

Remember that cop that was raping black women while on duty, specifically because he knew no one would believe them or care?

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u/rustyshackleford1300 Sep 26 '22

That has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.

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u/dpez1111 Oct 03 '22

They only caught him because he attacked a black guy, no one would of cared if he was white.

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u/sirmeliodis14 Oct 26 '22

Stop lying to yourself

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u/Honigkuchenlives Sep 22 '22

Racism and homophobia

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u/ChelsMe Sep 23 '22

Was he charismatic? Because the way this dude is playing him in this Netflix show, the cops should’ve never trusted him. Evan peters is making him SO creepy.

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u/SkepticalVir Sep 23 '22

After your reply I did another brief look into the beginning of his wiki. He was noted to be a loner type in school but was also noted to be intelligent and polite by teachers and eventually became a “class clown” of sorts. He also seemed to have no problem picking up men which leads me to believe he can act with charm and I noticed early interactions with the police he was able to evade them mostly verbally. So I’d say maybe not charismatic but just his ability to act in different manners may be good?

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u/ChelsMe Sep 23 '22

I wonder how much damage are serial killers doing these days with Tinder and Grindr. I’ve seen some friends straight up go have sex with people they’ve been chatting for half an hour and they haven’t even seen their face. Charisma is no longer an entry requirement.

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u/Flashdancer405 Sep 23 '22

I mean if someones getting you to fuck them within a half hour they’re either fairly charismatic or you’re incredibly desperate

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u/ChelsMe Sep 23 '22

Definitely the second one. I don’t know if there’s a r/grindr but it’s basically become “send a pic, hmmm ok sure I’ll meet you in the bathroom in a few minutes”

Chill desperation

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

He was good looking, white and polite. That's all it takes.

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u/shorttompkins Sep 22 '22

They should make a dramatic series explaining it more clearly probably. This way people wouldn't have to wonder.

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u/lrellim Oct 11 '22

How many movies documentaries and books those it takes for people to understand Dahmers life?

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u/ThunderboltRam Sep 22 '22

He was caught within 10 years that's pretty good for catching serial killers... Serial killers are notoriously hard to catch.

Tons of cold cases where murderers weren't found for 20 or 30 years.

One of the biggest FBI investigations in the 2000s took till 2009 to catch the perp. That's with thousands of agents and millions in budget.

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u/Skankmebank Sep 22 '22

It’s so disheartening to see a comment that completely glosses over ‘the race of the victims and the people who were telling the police’ part of him being able to do this for so long see upvoted much more than the ones that do mention race as an integral part of these murders.

And to call his wiki page fascinating lmao

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u/SkepticalVir Sep 22 '22

Well I’m sorry you felt I left things out, I’m not some Dahmer expert. From what I have read he commented a lot on his attraction to his victims never their race, and I don’t really read about people/victims and think about them as a color. I do however see how it can be mentioned as a reason why their wasn’t much police action involved.

Also yeah it’s disgusting and vile, some people like watching pimples popped which I find appalling, don’t try to gate keep what’s fascinating.

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u/dpez1111 Oct 03 '22

Actually the murders weren’t race motivated if you look up the actual interviews.

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u/SignificanceNo1223 Oct 03 '22

I just think it was by happenstance. He was poor himself. The only way he was able to get away with things was because he was a polite white guy in a neighborhood where cops probably get a lot of attitude. Lol

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u/etherealparadox Sep 22 '22

Police incompetence, mostly.

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u/FetchShockTake3 Sep 22 '22

Hey look shit hasn’t changed.

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u/senbei616 Sep 22 '22

If you read about or listen to a lot of true crime the police having no fucking clue what they're doing is pretty common.

Case in point Joel Rifkin and Charles Starkweather.

I'm fairly certain an average moderately intelligent person with a decent amount of follow through could get away with killing people indefinitely. Half the serial killers you read about only get caught because they stopped giving a shit or let shit get to their head and got sloppy.

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u/TheBaddestPatsy Sep 22 '22

The scorecard killer really haunts me. He was only “caught” because he was pulled over for drunk driving while he had a corpse in the passenger seat.

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u/SignificanceNo1223 Oct 03 '22

Ironically most serial killers in real life are law abiding citizens with very little to no priors. It tends to be hardest thing for local police to capture serial offenders. It’s something that requires next level psychologists and forensics. They can literally hide in broad daylight.

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u/PhallicReason Sep 22 '22

Yeah no shit, that's why we don't trust the police to be the only ones with guns. Herp fucking derp.

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u/etherealparadox Sep 22 '22

If anything it's gotten worse!

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u/TheUgliestNeckbeard Sep 22 '22

Ya when I saw the first episode with the black guy who escaped with no shirt and handcuffs on one arm running towards a police car I thought there was no way they'd help him today. If anything they'd have probably shot him.

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u/RadioactiveCornbread Sep 22 '22

If anything, it's weaponized incompetence. They aided that POS. I'm getting a bit peeved with how romanticized serial killers are regardless of whether if they were actually charming. If it was a dainty, beaten and distraught white girl crying for her life, like that one boy did while literally bleeding from his ass, they would have wasted no time while hearing no excuses.

Don't mean to make it political, just making an example here; not looking for a shit fight. Just at the time, being gay was just as bad as being of color in the 40s, so that's what they used to be dismissive towards certain crimes- even Dahmer's whereabouts. A sheriff in particular who is responsible for something like this is still in office, and has recently gained a higher position.

Correct me if I'm wrong. Please. But, I refuse to believe that they just flat out didn't know what he was doing. They knew. And, the stories just scream that they sometimes helped him.

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u/Manthalyn Sep 22 '22

The police were fairly incompetent when it came to gay men. They assumed that Dahmer and some of his victims were involved in lover’s quarrels and wouldn’t look into them

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u/IfICouldStay Sep 22 '22

"Uh, this very young looking man seems to be delirious, bleeding and terrified."

"Oh, that's my lover. He's 19 and drunk. I'll get him home safe."

"Alrighty then. Have yourself a nice evening."

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u/VorAbaddon Sep 22 '22

To add to this, the officer in question also:

  • Threatened to arrest the young women defending that victim, who was later murder by hydrochloric acid injected DIRECTLY into his brain

  • Made homophobic comments calling it into the station.

  • Dismissed the young women's mother who called the next day. Making further on record homophobic comments

  • four or five victims later, one of whom was killed when dahmer poured boiling water into holes trpaned into the victims skull, the cop got fired when his gross negligence was revealed.

  • The union fought for over a year to get him his job back. They won.

  • He was voted officer of the year during the year he was mostly suspended because of how poorly he was treated, in their mind.

  • Became the police union president

  • Retired with honors in 2020... with a nice fat pension

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u/Blamrica Sep 22 '22

Not injected acid, he drilled a fucking hole through his skull and then poured it in

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u/wheredMyArmourGo Sep 22 '22

ALSO THE TWO OFFICERS CALLED BY THE WITNESSES THEN ESCORTED THE BOY BACK TO DAHMER’S APARTMENT, SMELLED THE ROTTING CORPSE IN DAHMERS BEDROOM, AND LEFT. The boy had been raped. He was naked with blood on his legs and head. He was covered only by the women who found him’s blanket. His head had drill holes in it so Dahmer could get the needle through his skull to put acid in his brain with the hopes of the boys surviving but without control of their thoughts or body so he could have a living sex zombie.

When the police were fired for bringing the boy back to his apartment, they were later REHIRED a couple years later where at least one worked until his retirement a few years ago where they tweeted a congratulations and thanks for his years on the force.

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u/FuckingKadir Sep 22 '22

Lots of people will say "one bad apple" or "things are better now" but retired in fucking 2020 with honors.

ACAB. ALL cops. Bad ones don't stick around and run the show for 50 years if they're the exception rather than the rule.

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u/ThunderboltRam Sep 22 '22

This is such a hateful rhetoric. It's not "All cops"... that's the dumbest thing anyone can say. Nice though that the trolls upvote you to bash your own cops, I wonder what they're up to with wanting you to rage against your own govt. Such a mystery.

Your sentence doesn't even make sense. Almost every industry has people who do a poor job or make mistakes and they're often the majority. They weren't doing it to "be bad"...

Utter insanity that any redditor thinks it's ok to vilify whole job titles. Imagine if someone was like "all teachers are bad at their job" you would rage. Even though you know there are bad teachers in the world and may have had a bad teacher in your own education.

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u/FuckingKadir Sep 22 '22

I'm not saying "everyone in this occupation is bad" like in your teacher example. I'm saying the occupation itself is flawed and deliberately attracts, benefits, and enables "bad apples" meaning that those people aren't a bug, they're a feature.

Its not "teachers are bad" it's more like "baby seal torturer" is bad. We need teachers, they do good things for our society even if some are bad. We don't need baby seals to be tortured.

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u/ThunderboltRam Sep 22 '22

You make no sense... Crime and criminal gangs attracts the worst-of-the-worst people... And who fights crime and criminal gangs? The police.

It literally cannot possibly make any less sense for you to argue "cops are attracting more bad cops" ...

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u/FuckingKadir Sep 22 '22

If you look at statistics of how many crimes get solved or what kinds of crime police spend their time working on you'd see that the idea of cops stopping robbers and gangs only exists in media.

They spend most of their time enforcing traffic and property laws. An extremely small percentage of reported crimes are solved.

They can show up after the fact, take your statement, and then that's about it most times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/19/upshot/unrest-police-time-violent-crime.html

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/08/20/police-solve-just-2-of-all-major-crimes/

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u/ThunderboltRam Sep 22 '22

This is such a hateful rhetoric. It's not "All cops"... that's the dumbest thing anyone can say. Nice though that the trolls upvote you to bash your own cops, I wonder what they're up to with wanting you to rage against your own govt. Such a mystery.

Your sentence doesn't even make sense. Almost every industry has people who do a poor job or make mistakes and they're often the majority. They weren't doing it to "be bad"...

Utter insanity that any redditor thinks it's ok to vilify whole job titles. Imagine if someone was like "all teachers are bad at their job" you would rage. Even though you know there are bad teachers in the world and may have had a bad teacher in your own education.

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u/Flashdancer405 Sep 23 '22

Okay don’t be mad at the government that no knock raids wrong houses, shoots dogs, and lets serial killers inject acid into the brains of 14 year olds.

Wouldn’t wanna hurt they’s feewies, the poor law enfworcement

I bet if we didn’t hurt they feewies they would have saved those kids in Texas instead of waiting an hour for the shooter to rack up a body count

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u/Peach_enby Sep 29 '22

Just say you don’t care about minorities or women and be done with it. Even if cops don’t commit atrocities they see their coworkers do it and do nothing. Time and time again we see how corrupt police units are.

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u/ThunderboltRam Oct 04 '22

You're a liar.

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u/illihcallan Sep 22 '22

Why do you say the officer instead of naming and shaming the guy? For those that don't know too much about the topic.

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u/johnwayne2413 Sep 22 '22

Wow, this why

F U C K

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u/ThunderboltRam Sep 22 '22

Such nonsense on reddit all the time with these trollfarms. You will never ever ever ever ever ever have a society without cops--unless you live in a warzone or gang-warfare-city ruled by warlords.

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u/theshicksinator Sep 22 '22

Nice strawman, you build it yourself?

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u/Ok_Raspberry_6282 Sep 27 '22

What do you think cops are for?

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u/JihadKitty142 Sep 22 '22

No fuck you.

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u/Pie_Head Sep 22 '22

And people wonder why I'm ACAB... fucking sick assholes the lot of them

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u/Majestic-Science-220 Sep 22 '22

When you need their help don’t you dare call them you sack of shit.

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u/Bleblebob Sep 22 '22

If your argument against ACAB is that the police should only support the people who like them then you're just furthering the argument for ACAB.

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u/VorAbaddon Sep 22 '22

Heres the thing. I get where youre coming from. I do.

But put yourself in the shoes of the LGBT community in Milwaukee where this occurred.

Imagine needing to call the police and knowing this guy could show up. Someone who was so openly homophobic he outright admitted to not bothering to investigate a naked, scared, disoriented to the point they couldnt speak, underaged boy who was bleeding from the skull becuase the officer felt disgusted by gay men.

Imagine knowing if its not him, it might be:

  • The officers who backed him and demanded he be reinstated?
  • the officers who celebrated his return?
  • The officers who voted him officer of the year?
  • The officers who voted for him to union leadership?
  • Who feted his retirement in 2020, almost 30 years later, when he made ZERO effort to atone for his mistake? Dude never even APOLOGIZED

When he retired, the department made a big deal about it on Twitter, and the LGBT community was pissed. Thats how I even found out about this debacle.

And no one cared. No obe from the police community gave a shit that this guy allowed sever people to be brutally tortutrd to death because he was afraidbhe might "catch the gay".

How would YOU feel?

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u/Un_controllably Sep 22 '22

I'm sure as hell gonna call them because it's their fucking job. It'd still be a waste of time though since they never come anyway (unless you live in a rich neighbourhood).

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u/KittyFame Sep 22 '22

This docu-series demonstrates that cops are useless when you call them for help.

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u/that1senpai2 Sep 22 '22

Lol, they're useless and people don't need their help. They don't even like or help bootlickers like you, so it's mind-boggling you don't agree with acab

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u/ThunderboltRam Sep 22 '22

This is such a stupid way to think about an issue.

Most investigations of serial killers take 15 years or more. They caught him in like 10 years.

They also don't hire cops if they are too incompetent in most stations around the country.

Bashing cops is really the dumbest fad ever. Yeah obviously, mistakes happen and obviously no one is ever perfect in their jobs. I can probably criticize you in your job if you let me watch for 4 weeks.

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u/VorAbaddon Sep 22 '22

Heres the issue though. Its not the "cop who made a mistake". The dude was openly homophobic. He admitted, that day, the next day, and as part of the investigation he didnt get involved because of his bigotry.

When he was fired, a MAJORITY of officers wanted him back. When he was reinstated, with back pay. The pfficers celebrated. A MAJORITY of officers elected him officer of the year. A MAJORITY of officers voted for him for union president.

They read about a young man being raped, tortured, and kiled in an absolutely BRUTAL fashion, because one of their own was too laxy and bigoted to save the kids life. And their reply was "Yeah. And? Who cares."

You cant expect people to respect a community that days they dont care about people being brutalized and killed, so long as their coworker doesnt have to do his job without being fired.

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u/Bleblebob Sep 22 '22

The cop returned a victim to a serial killer and then remained a cop until retirement and you're playing devil's advocate.

You can criticize anyone's job, but few other jobs reward the murder of civilians like the police do.

In fact most other jobs you'd get fired and probably tried for the shit cops get slaps on the wrist and paid vacations for.

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u/ThunderboltRam Sep 22 '22

I don't think a small group of cops protecting each other in one area is the same as vilifying the entire "cop" job... you people are sick.

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u/Sewcraytes Sep 22 '22

the officer in question needs to be named here, imo.

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u/VorAbaddon Sep 22 '22 • Helpful

Her ya go. John Balcerzak.

Admittedly I got the retirement year wrong. He retired in 2017. It just came back up in 2020 due to the overall awareness of police issues and lack of reform.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Balcerzak

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u/johnwayne2413 Sep 22 '22

Start up voting and awarding this post

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u/ZakkCat Sep 23 '22

That’s disgusting

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u/687425788gfhhbjjhb Sep 29 '22

Thank you for listing all this. It’s so disrespectful seeing posts trying to defend the cops

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u/SkeletalStoner Sep 30 '22

The officer didn’t receive an award, however everything else is true.

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u/Stickystickyjabjab Sep 22 '22

It was also because his victims were POC and the police didn't care enough to help them (big surprise there /s).

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Have you seen examples of the police believing and helping white rape victims? They don’t help us either. They DGAF at all.

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u/LogPoseNavigator Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Sure that happens, but there is a reason they handed a 14 year old boy back to dahmer trusting his word when he was drunk over three black people, dahmer referring to her as a “crazy black bitch,”. He knew when the cops wouldn’t care that much. It was a factor in him choosing his victims. Not even getting into all of it

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u/dpez1111 Oct 03 '22

The murders weren’t racially motivated.

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u/dpez1111 Oct 03 '22

Actually a lot of his victims were white.

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u/sirmeliodis14 Oct 26 '22

No they were mostly black gay dudes and like three whites and one Asian

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u/dpez1111 Oct 26 '22

He himself said it wasn’t racially motivated.

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u/Khanstant Sep 22 '22

Police are fairly incompetant, period.

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u/PhallicReason Sep 22 '22

The same happens with straight couples. Most domestic abuse doesn't get resolved by police because it's a difficult situation for them (That's what they say) I'm not saying police do a good job in this instances, but stop trying to push a fucking agenda here.

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u/Manthalyn Sep 22 '22

stop trying to push a fucking agenda here

No agenda here dude. It’s just the truth. Dahmer was a gay man, and he used the police’s hesitance towards dealing with gay men to his advantage. I agree that the same thing happens with straight domestic violence situations, but we’re talking specifically about Dahmer and how he wasn’t caught. It’s 100% because the police didn’t want to deal with gay men. They returned a victim to Dahmer because Dahmer said he was his drunk boyfriend and they had an argument. When in actuality, he had effectively lobotomized that young man and murdered him right after the police returned him.

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u/DaigoWithAGun Sep 22 '22

you’re a dumbass

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u/Strict-Management-32 Sep 22 '22

Most of his victims were black and brown gay men. One victim, injured, naked, and dazed, whose brother had earlier been attacked by Dahmer, escaped and was returned to him by police. So racism, homophobia, and the typical incompetence of the police.

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u/dpez1111 Oct 03 '22

Actually a lot of his victims were white.

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u/Complete_Relation Oct 03 '22

17 out of 19 of the victims were POC…

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u/dpez1111 Oct 03 '22

You mean 12?

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u/Complete_Relation Oct 03 '22

My mistake, it was actually 14 out of 17, but either way, more POC were killed in comparison to white victims.

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u/Illustrious_Formal73 Sep 22 '22

Cops sucked ass and literally brought a victim that ran away back to Dahmer.

Especially since Dahmer was a convicted sex offender out on parole when cops had been called on him multiple times.

Witnesses "I heard screams and it smells like death."

Dahmer "meat in the freezer went bad."

Cops "well that's good enough for me."

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u/Puddlingon Sep 22 '22

Eating the evidence

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u/Bleblebob Sep 22 '22

The vast majority of it was Police Incompetence.

Jeffrey preyed on communities that the police had no interest in protecting.

In one instance a shitty cop gave a naked victim with a hole drilled into his head back to Dahmer because they didn't wanna deal with the gay community at all.

Fun(awful) fact, that cop actually remained a cop until his retirement in 2020. I think he just moved districts and got rehired.

I remember the police department that he retired at tweeted out a congratulations to him when he retired thanking him for his police work. His police work that allowed one of the biggest serial killers to continue killing.

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u/ShortOneSausage Sep 22 '22

I highly recommend listening to the Last Podcast on the Left series about him. They do a good job of pointing out just how he was able to keep going for so long. It was mostly due to police incompetence and the fact that they just didn’t give a fuck about the gay community. They even returned one of his victims to him after finding him wandering around with battery acid in his brain if IIRC.

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u/tayloline29 Sep 22 '22

Cops being racist homophobic fuck heads as usual.

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u/Comprehensive-Age841 Sep 27 '22

It was so easy to get away will shit like this back in the 1900s, they just didnt have the proper resources to figure out huge cases like this and the fact that most of jeffreys victims were people of colour, that also gave him a better shot at not being caught because there was so much racism back then.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker Sep 22 '22

Racism and homophobia, mostly.

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u/EthansWay007 Sep 22 '22

Point nobody like to talk about is a lot of his victims were black.. not much care to investigate if you know what I mean, black people going missing? “Oh well..” was the basic mood. There is even a situation were a black male victim got lose ran outside and flagged down police, the police saw his condition (drugged and half naked) and ran over to him. He told them he was in serious danger and needed to get out of there. Then Jeffery comes out after him: “oh he’s just my date, he got out my house haha” the police said: Oh ok you guys enjoy your night 🫤. A black women witnesseing the scene told police something isn’t right and they said nah it’s ok. That would not happen if a drugged half naked white women flagged down police and a black man came to get her…

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Racism and homophobia quite frankly

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u/dime-with-a-mind Sep 22 '22

He picked gay black victims. Police didn't seem to care because his choice of victims.

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u/DarthBrandon_2024 Sep 22 '22

Take a guess...he was a white guy preying on gay men and gay black men.

Cops didnt care.

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u/panicinbabylon Sep 22 '22

There’s a really awesome Dahmer series from Last Podcast on the Left that investigates contributing factors - police didn’t care about missing gay men, police didn’t care about missing Hispanic men. Check it out.

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u/UnprofessionalGhosts Sep 22 '22

Racism and homophobia were huge factors in this case.

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u/alexramirez69 Sep 22 '22

Racist piece of shit incompetent cops. That's how he got away

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u/Darkness5780 Sep 22 '22

He was white.

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u/GammaGargoyle Sep 22 '22 edited Sep 22 '22

The hard truth is that people get away with murder every day. People all want to blame it on racism or homophobia or some convenient social ill, but that's not really the case. Yeah the police fucked up, but police negligence is nothing new.

Everything we know about murder is what we see on TV and it's becoming more and more detached from reality. People watch true crime and think they are going to be murdered when they step out their front door but they also think every crime is like CSI and the killer will always be caught.

The toybox killer is thought to have killed over 60 women, was caught but never convicted for a single murder. His victims were mostly white, straight women.

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u/NowhereMan661 Sep 22 '22

He was very good at hiding his tracks.

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u/RainApprehensive2566 Sep 22 '22

If you hurt the right people, the cops won't do a damn thing. Google 'less dead'

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

He targeted gay minorities.

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u/coughy_bean Sep 22 '22

who’s she?

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u/seasonedearlobes Sep 22 '22

Rita Isbell

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

1992

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

100% black

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Spiting the important facts

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

Spiting the important facts

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u/sleek_im Sep 22 '22

Netflix 2022

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u/SovietBozo Sep 22 '22

Goldberry

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u/MoHeeKhan Sep 22 '22

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u/peanutbuttertuxedo Sep 22 '22

Her name is shown in the video...

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u/nsfrich Sep 22 '22

Boyyyy, u dumb

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u/coughy_bean Sep 23 '22

i’m blind

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u/[deleted] Sep 22 '22

If you dont read

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u/queerinmesoftly Sep 23 '22

Only thing that sucks about it is the family is against the series using it. They say that it has re-traumatized them.

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u/Life-Meal6635 Sep 22 '22

I remember her. Great performance. Her rage is completely understandable

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u/[deleted] Oct 02 '22

You shouldn’t be. She didn’t get any compensation. They never even asked her for her permission and said watching the whole thing was traumatic.

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u/holystuff28 Sep 29 '22

"But I'm not money hungry, and that's what this show is about, Netflix trying to get paid." -Rita Isbell, the real woman who's statement was used.

She was not contacted by Netflix in any capacity. Neither was her brother's daughter. None of the families were consulted. I agree this series did a better job than most showing the victim's perspective and how systemic racism and apathy affected the case, but I think we should be really critical of a corporation exploiting a person's story down to her words, clothes, and hairstyle, without consulting the actual human being they're portraying, in probably one of her life's most difficult times. It's gross and skeezy. Isbell's response to Netflix

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u/DrTitanium Sep 22 '22

Honestly I’m annoyed this clip cuts out any comparison to the original. She should be heard.

EDIT I found it here https://youtu.be/ZL8xIi3kyGE

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u/Exciting_Patient4872 Sep 29 '22

Wish they asked her first...

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u/OceanWavesAndCitrine Oct 03 '22

The only thing that really upsets me about this series is that members of the surviving families have made it very clear how traumatic it is for them to see this sensationalized and published in such detail.

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u/congratsonyournap Oct 08 '22

I thought it was in poor taste. The family said on Twitter they were upset and really surprised that they put her in

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u/Theorignialmartian Dec 25 '22

It would have been even better if any of the proceeds made from this series were given to the victims families. This woman did an interview about the clip and she was very saddened that his story continues to be told and he continues to live on while her brother is just another victim